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The following is a transcript of an investor and media conference call and webcast presented by executives from Alaska Airlines and Virgin America on April 4, 2016.
Alaska Air Group, Inc.
NYSE:ALK
M&A Call
Monday, April 4, 2016
8:30 a.m. Eastern time
Presentation
Operator
Good morning. My name is Heidi, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Alaska Airlines Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]
Managing Director of Investor Relations, Lavanya Sareen, you may begin your conference.
Lavanya Sareen
Managing Director of Investor Relations
Thanks, Heidi, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us this morning on fairly short notice. This morning, we issued a news release outlining the merger agreement for Alaskas acquisition of Virgin America. The presentation from this morning is being webcast, and the slides are also available on our website at alaskaair.com. We will begin the call with opening comments from our CEO, Brad Tilden; and David Cush, CEO of Virgin America. Following which, you will hear directly from our Chief Commercial Officer, Andrew Harrison; our CFO, Brandon Pedersen; Ben Minicucci, our Chief Operating Officer; and they will share the terms of the transaction, expected benefits and our plans for the combined company. For the Q&A portion of the call, Peter Hunt, Virgin Americas CFO, and several members of our senior management teams are also on hand to help answer your questions.
Before we get started, please note that todays presentation will contain forward-looking statements that represent our beliefs or expectations about future events. All forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements. Some of the factors that may cause such differences are described in Alaska and Virgins SEC filings.
With that out of the way, I will turn the call over to Brad.
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
Thank you, Lavanya, and good morning, everybody. As Lavanya said, we did announce our planned acquisition of Virgin America earlier this morning. As you probably know by now, its an all-cash deal with an equity value of $2.6 billion and enterprise value of about $4 billion.
Virgin is an incredible company. In just 9 years, theyve developed an excellent product, a really loyal following amongst their customers. Theyve got substantial presence in both San Francisco and Los Angeles and really valuable gates and slots in the 3 New York City airports and in Reagan National Airport in Washington, D.C.
For us, they also complement our geography really well. Our goal is to be the premier airline for people that live on the West Coast. And as you know, weve long been strong throughout the Pacific Northwest and Alaska. And in fact, we fly to 112 destinations in 30-something states from those places.
But while California is actually our second biggest state in terms of flying, we dont fly east from there really, and that affects how much customers living in California can concentrate their travel with us. The California market, as you probably know, is 3x the size of the markets of Alaska, Washington and Oregon combined. This acquisition gives us a solid foothold in California. Andrew will share details in a moment. But as one small example, today, Alaska Air Group flies to one of the top 10 airports out of San Francisco. With this acquisition, well fly to all 10 of the top 10 airports.
So its really valuable real estate, and it gives us a shot at being your go-to airline if you live anywhere up and down the West Coast. And in fact, with this acquisition, we will have the leading market share of airlines operating on the West Coast. And I want to point out that well do a good job of serving what some call the bleisure segment of the market. Its that segment thats focused on business and higher-end leisure travelers. Alaska focuses on the segment today as does Virgin America, and we think its both a very promising and an underserved segment of the market.
Financially, Ill just say that this was a hard-fought competition, and we were very happy to come away as the successful bidder. As synergies are realized, our earnings will increase significantly from about $1.3 billion before taxes today to $1.6 billion. Both of these figures are based on 2015, and our shares outstanding will remain unchanged. So we believe the transaction will be very good for our owners out of the gate, and it will get even better over time.
At this point, I want to turn the call over to David. Hes got some opening remarks he wants to make, and then our team has put together a deck that sort of details our thinking about this transaction, the strategic rationale, the financial case and sort of some of the things that we believe well be doing with employees and customers.
So over to David, and then well come back to go through the deck.
C. David Cush
Chief Executive Officer, President and Director
Thanks, Brad. Ill be brief. I agree with everything Brad said before obviously. And Ill say that while we didnt really set out to sell the company when we are approached by Alaska, we are happy with the outcome of this transaction, and the price paid is a big win for our shareholders. Our employees will join a vibrant, well-run company. And being a part of a bigger airline offers greater job security in a highly consolidated industry. And then finally, our customers and Alaska Airlines customers can now enjoy the benefits across a significantly broadened network.
The other point Id like to make is, as opposed to the last round of mergers, this one is really done from a position of strength. If you look at the last round, many of the carriers were in bankruptcy or were in distress. In this situation, each carrier has a strong balance sheet and is producing strong earnings.
Alaskas acquiring a network that puts it in the most competitive markets in the United States, but enters those markets from a position of strength. Virgin America outperforms our competition in unit revenue in head-to-head markets and are leaders in a number of these markets. So what I think is important there is Alaska is behind some prime assets, but these are assets that are already producing a strong earning stream rather than assets that need to be rehabilitated. So they can step into a position of strength immediately.
We also like Alaskas plan going forward. Its built on leveraging the strength of its 2 networks in order to grow the combined airlines, and that creates more value for shareholders, better option for customers and more opportunity for our teammates. So Brad and I will put teams together to work on the integration over the next few months. I expect that to be a smooth process, and we look forward to working with our with the Alaska Airlines team. Thank you, Brad.
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
Thanks very much, David. So we have put together a deck. Were going to try to get through it briskly, and well we think you can follow we know that youll follow along quickly. So were going to try to not take too much time with each slide.
If we can bring the first slide, I hope everybody is tracking the first slide that Im looking at is Slide 4, its our forward-looking statements. The next slide is Slide 5, its just a buildup of the 2 airlines by the numbers. You see that, on a combined basis, well have over $7 billion of revenue. This is all based on 2015. I think both airlines are growing in 2016: 39 million annual customers, almost 300 airplanes, 1,200 daily flights, well fly to 114 cities, and this pretax profit is just adding together the 2 numbers. With synergies and factoring in financing cost, it will be even higher than that as Brandon is going to take you to that in a moment.
Move to the next slide. Lets just go through this: $2.6 billion all cash; therell be 18,000 employees when all is done; the head office will be in Seattle, but we expect to have a very strong presence in San Francisco; and you could see the leadership team on the right.
We advance the slide once again. You see that basically both airlines do have a very well-earned reputation for both low fares and great customer service, lots of recognition here for Virgin from ConsumerReports, Travel + Leisure and others. In terms of brand, the Alaska brand stays. You can see that its our refresh brand. Were very proud of that. And in terms of the Virgin brand, what Ill just is we want to learn more about it. We believe its driving a big revenue premium for Virgin, and we want to get involved as we work through the integration of the 2 companies. We just want to learn more about it. So there is a chance that we could use the Virgin America brand in some form down the road.
Turning the slides again. This is just sort of a slide on the industry. Our basic belief is the industry structure is much better than it has been for most of our careers. We show here that from 1977 through 2009, and you all know this, the industry lost $52 billion. The last 5 years, weve made $45 billion. Why is that happened? The industry structure has fundamentally changed. It was tortuous, it was painful, but many companies have gone through bankruptcy, many companies have consolidated. So theres just, I think, a more rational approach to the business.
One of the things I said earlier today, in the old days, airlines wanted to have one of every airplane. They wanted to fly everywhere. Today, I think airlines have much more of a business orientation.
Leadership teams. Alaska has been a leader here, but leadership teams of airlines across the industry are focused on shareholders and focused on producing returns.
David talked a bit about this. Airport real estate is constrained, and that constraint is actually going to be a little bit of a problem for us. Its something well work on, but I think its a good thing for airline investors. And then finally, this leisure segment I talked about earlier, the industry is changing. There is more of a focus on leisure today than there was 10, 20 years ago. And then finally, ancillary revenues are another big driver of profit.
So we advance the slide from there. This basically makes the point that Alaska is performing very well, those of you that follow us know this. But whether its safety, on-time performance, customer service, the way we work with our employees, our balance sheet, our profitability, our I think our track record does speak for itself. Were anxious to get more real estate to work with, and we believe over time that were going to we believe were going to create a lot of value out of the gates, but over time, even more value as we sort of solidify and strengthen our presence up and down the West Coast.
We advance that slide. This is a slide that youve probably seen before. It basically says the industry is becoming more concentrated. I think thats a good thing for investors, but for someone like what this says is, today, just 4 airlines control 80 or have 84% of the revenues. This is a good thing for investors, but to an airline like Alaska, it says the scale is relevant. So we think its a good thing for us to have a little bit larger scale to work from.
We look at advance that slide. Its going slow. We see that its time for Andrew to start talking. So the rest of our team is going to go through their slides, and were looking forward to the Q&A.
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
Well, good morning, everybody. Excuse my voice, Im a little hoarse. But firstly and most importantly, this acquisition provides a platform of growth for us. Were going to talk about the powerful West Coast network, the role of the partnerships and the gateways, constrained airports as Brad has mentioned, a California customer base that Virgin America has, loyalty programs and of course, increased influence in todays industry.
As you all know, weve been very strong in the Pacific Northwest. But really, our opportunity is California. And as Brad made in his earlier remarks, 3x the population base that we play in today and 2.5x the passengers. So this is going to be a really important opportunity for us.
The other thing is just really looking at California, as you folks know, it has amazing characteristics. Its #1 in many key economic drivers. Theyve had fantastic growth, international passengers. So we believe this is a place we can grow with this new platform.
Were already in California, as you all know, and you can see there on the right of the chart, our second largest investment of seats is in California, but that investment only yields us a 7% share. You can see in the Pacific Northwest, we have very strong shares. And so this is where we need to invest to continue to get returns on our investment. And of course, the other thing in todays consolidating industry is infrastructure constraints. So we doubled the size of our gates in Los Angeles, meaningful presence in San Francisco obviously and then as weve long tried hard on the East Coast to get a position. We have one red eye to JFK today, and thats taken me and my team at least 5 years to get. So that progress wasnt very promising. But of course, today now with JFK and with Virgin, 23 slots, about 11 round-trips and its going to be very important as we continue to grow. But I think what were most excited about here if you look at just seat share of the West Coast, we will be the #1 player in share. And I think for us, personally, this is again the starting point. This is the foundation. We have something here that we can continue to grow and to make into something great.
And of course, if you look down the coast now, Anchorage, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, these metropolitan gateways. But I also want to highlight, given all the airports in both the L.A. Basin and the Bay Area, we have significant flights and presence in those places, which is going to serve us well going forward.
So lets just talk about share for a moment. If you look at San Francisco on day 1 of this closing of this transaction, well be the second-largest carrier in San Francisco, and we will actually be relevant in a very fragmented market in Los Angeles. Also, what it does for us and you can see there on the left, the little circles are representing passengers per day each way that were going to also have opportunity to grow other airports in California. So this positions us well. And as Brad said, if you just look at our network today and our utility, we only have access to 6% of total nonstop North America revenues.
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
Out of San Francisco.
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
Out of San Francisco. When we do this merger, we go to 58%, and we go from one to all top 10 markets in San Francisco. Los Angeles, very same story: 10% today; access, only one, Seattle; tomorrow, we serve 8 of the 10 with 52%.
Virgin America, as mentioned earlier, serves the highest volume, most lucrative markets out of the West Coast from San Francisco and Los Angeles. And so well be able to participate in that. We believe both Virgin Americas loyalty program, their members are very loyal. They love their airline. They love the service. The same is true for Alaska Airlines, and we have many similarities in the way we work together. When you combine those and the global networks, our reach is going to be impressive. Our members will have massive access to the world of the West Coast.
But really more importantly, as weve talked about, were going to have a very strong West Coast airline, and you can see there the depth and the breadth of the network. This is just on day 1. This doesnt include any of the strategic growth going forward.
And then lastly, I just want to land on a point that Brad shared earlier, which is if you look at the North American revenue pie here, 66% of all revenues is carried on by the network carriers. But that 12% slice, low fares but still offering premium products, first-class lounges and all the rest, we believe this is an area thats underserved and this is an area, combined Alaska and Virgin, where we can make inroads and theres great demand for that.
So with that, Im going to hand over to Brandon Pedersen.
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Thanks, Andrew, and good morning, everybody. Well Brad and Andrew shared the strategic rationale, and so I want to do is talk about the financial rationale, which I think is equally as compelling.
On the first slide, you can see we thought it was appropriate to start with a return on invested capital because we really were a pioneer in the industry when we talk about return on invested capital. We were the first to do so. All of you on the call know that were generating substantial returns right now and creating significant value for our owners. Of course, returns on invested capital come from managing the capital base prudently, but also and more importantly, from profits. And were generating significant profits. Last year, we generated a 24% pretax margin, which place us higher than the LCCs as a group and well over the industrials and the legacy carriers. Those profits come because were safe. Were operating well. Weve got engaged employees. We show we have customer preference, low-cost and an efficient fleet, and none of that changes with this deal.
When you have strong profits, it generate strong cash flows. And as you know, weve used those cash flows in a very balanced way over the last 5 or 6 years. Weve generated $6 billion of cash flow from operations. We paid down our pension, so that theres no real pension obligation to speak of. Weve invested $3 billion in the fleet. Weve returned tons of cash to our shareholders both through the dividend and the share repurchase program that weve been at since 2007, and we deleveraged our balance sheet, bringing more than 1 or taking more than $1.2 billion of debt off the balance sheet. As a result, weve seen these slides before, our debt-to-cap went from 81% down to 27%. We have an investment-grade balance sheet, and that investment-grade balance sheet positioned us to get this deal done.
The next slide shows you a chart of our long-term growth. We actually introduced this slide to you back at Investor Day, and importantly, its been profitable growth. What this deal does is it gives us a platform to extend that growth well into the future with the massive market opportunity that Andrew talked about. And as Brad said, well do this in a way that makes 1 plus 1 equal 3. Weve talked extensively with some investors about how our goal is to grow profits and not necessarily to grow margins. And what this does is it allows us to grow profits, but not damage the margin certainly. This gives us a great platform to continue to grow profits well into the future.
Lets talk about synergies. As you saw in our press release, we think synergies are about $225 million a year on a run-rate basis. We think this is consistent with what other airline deals have done. Just if you look at the breakout between revenue synergies and cost synergies, its about 80-20, which we think is a very achievable mix.
On the revenue side, the synergies come from 3 primary areas. One is just the network connectivity that well be able to achieve. The second is just mixing and matching airplanes and better deploying assets that we now have. And the third is from the affinity card opportunity that we believe we see, particularly as we get to have the Alaska Airlines Affinity Card with will extend the penetration into the Bay Area in particular.
On the cost energy side, its the things that you might imagine. I think theres $50 million there, and we expect onetime in integration cost to be upwards of $350 million.
As I said, our synergy estimates are in line with prior deals. We come in right at 3.1% of combined revenues. Thats just in the neighborhood of where Southwest AirTran and American U.S. were, but substantially lower than some of the other deals in the industry, suggesting to us that we have more upside if we work hard. I have incredible confidence in our ability to get this done. Ive incredible confidence in our ability to get this done timely, which is really the next slide. We believe the synergies well get 90% of the synergies by 2019. And importantly, we expect this deal to be accretive to earnings in year 1.
Lets talk about financing a little bit. As you know, it was an equity value of $2.6 billion. Virgin America has net debt and leases that well be assuming that they are equivalent to $1.4 billion. So a total enterprise value of $4 billion.
On the financing side, well use $600 million of cash. We actually ended Q1 with $1.6 billion of cash. So when we put our cash with Virgin Americas cash, we think its completely appropriate to use cash of about $600 million. Well assume their debt and leases, of course, and that and we plan to issue $2 billion worth of new debt.
We believe we have tons of opportunity to get this debt at a variable very favorable cost. We have lots of financing sources available to us, including the 92 aircraft that we had unencumbered in the Alaska fleet as of the end of the third quarter.
Looking forward, debt-to-cap is something that were proud of. Weve made incredible progress, as I highlighted before. But even with this deal, our debt-to-cap stands at less than 58%, which puts us in the middle of the industry right now.
For those of you who have been watching the company for a long time, you know that we dont just compare ourselves to the rest of the industry. We compare ourselves to high-quality industrials. And as you can see in the chart even at the 50% level, which we expect to be at, at the end of this year or so, well be very consistent with where the high-quality industrials are. We think that as at close, were going to be at a 58% debt-to-cap, but the goal would be to get down to 45% by mid-2020. And were going to introduce a new term to the investment community, which is re-deleveraging. Were going to start a campaign of re-deleveraging the balance sheet, so that we can do so.
Turning to the fleet. Im sure youll have some questions about the fleet. We like the fleet that Virgin America gives us. Theres a ton of flexibility. We can grow if we need to. You also know that Virgin America leases the vast majority of its airplanes. So we can transition the fleet to a single fleet, if we should choose to do that starting in 2020.
And then finally, on the capital return side, you all know that weve been leaders in returning capital to shareholders. One of the things that were going to do is were going to slowdown the share repurchase program in 2016 to help fund this deal. We believe were also going to slow it down in 2017. But by 2018, we plan to be active again in share repurchases at an amount equivalent to what weve been doing over the last couple of years.
So all in all, just to recap, we have a track record of being a best-in-class operator, and Bens going to tell you more about that in just a second. Weve been generating returns far in excess of our industry peers and as cost of capital. So this is the right time for us to do this. We seek a larger platform for our growth, and this gives it to us. And we dont destroy our balance sheet. In fact, this positions us to continue to have a very strong balance sheet and move forward.
So with that, Ill turn over to Ben.
Benito Minicucci
Chief Operating Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Operations - Alaska Airlines Inc
Thanks, Brandon, and good morning, everyone. Operationally, we have worked very hard over the last 10 years getting our operation running right. Theres no better time for us to make this acquisition. We have a culture committed to safety. Our operation has been the best in North America for the last 6 years. With 8 J.D. Power awards, we have a track record for customer service and a cost structure and a mind sight geared towards high productivity. I have total confidence in my team and our people to execute this acquisition well.
Wall Street Journal shows that Virgin also runs a very strong operation, and Im confident when we merge together, we will continue to lead the industry. Both our companies have young, reliable fleets in which, as you know, we like a lot, and they are also extremely fuel-efficient. As Brandon said, were going to continue to operate the Airbus fleet in the near future, and well decide in time whether we go single fleet or well operate a dual fleet.
For customers, well continue to get award-winning service at low fares because of our cost structure. They get this huge expanded network utility, as Andrew explained. And through our partners, well extend our international reach, not only from Seattle, but from San Francisco and Los Angeles.
Virgin Alaska share the same commitment to our people. We know through experience at Alaska that a culture of caring, teamwork and empowerment is a competitive advantage. So we look forward to welcoming the terrific Virgin employees into our Alaska family and continue to build upon the success we enjoy with all our people and unions at Alaska.
So very high level, here are the key dates. Today, of course, is the deal announcement. We expect Virgin America shareholder approval hopefully by June, and then we are hopeful to get regulatory approval by the third quarter or fourth quarter, given we have very little network overlap and that we intend to grow. And we have a goal to have a single operating certificate by early 2018 or sooner.
And with that, Im going to turn it over back to Brad.
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
Yes. Thanks very much, Ben. Its a good chance for me to thank these 3 gentlemen as well as the rest of our officer team and many, many others that have been working on this deal.
And at this point, were ready to address any questions that the analysts have.
Question and Answer
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of the Savi Syth from Raymond James.
Savanthi Syth
Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division
Its exciting news. I just I was wondering on the synergy front, if you could give a little bit more color on just the bucket, the $175 million come from, just how much from maybe each youre thinking. And just on the merger itself, Im just wondering if you could provide a little bit more color on why now as to why kind of doing this now.
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Savi, its Brandon. Maybe Ill start with the first, and then Brad can take the second. On the revenue synergies, again its $175 million. It comes from 3 buckets. One is just the connectivity of the network and the ability to mix and match the fleet, and then we think we really do have a great Affinity opportunity or excuse me, an opportunity with our Affinity Card down in California. Weve got an awesome partner, Bank of America. Weve got what we believe to be the best card out there. And we think when we roll this out, consumers will love it, and thats going to create revenue for us as well. Were not yet going to disclose the breakdown between those 3 pieces, but those are largely where it all comes from. On the cost side, it is what you would expect it to be. There are synergies available to us by combining facilities, airport facilities, corporate office facilities, services that we prepare as both companies. And then, of course, as we combine the back offices, there will be synergy that we get from that as well.
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
Savi, this is Brad. In terms of why now, I just think that we are operating, as David said, from a position of strength. We are confident in our ability to run the airline. We do feel like we operate well and provide good customer service. We feel like we run the business in a way where all of the stakeholder groups do well, but were getting increasingly confident about the industry itself. I think the industry structure has changed, and I know folks have different views on this. But were optimistic about the long-term case for U.S. airlines, and so we feel that was also another factor.
Savanthi Syth
Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division
Got it. And if I may, Ill just slip in one last question on Virgin has some gates on the East Coast that dont necessarily fit maybe with the kind of the West East-West, mainly like LaGuardia and maybe Love Field. Just wondering what your thoughts on those were.
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
Savi, its Andrew. Were going to be taking a look at all of these. What we do know is these are very valuable assets. And what we do with them, we have a lot of opportunity and a lot of choice. And so overall, we are very, very confident with the portfolio that were getting and the options that we have.
Operator
Your next question comes from Rajeev Lalwani from Morgan Stanley.
Rajeev Lalwani
Morgan Stanley, Research Division
I guess, just when you were looking at this transaction and coming up with a price to pay, how did you take into account where we are in the cycle and just making sure that you didnt pay a high multiple on what may be peak earnings? Thats the first question. And then the second question, can you just talk a little bit about what this does for your balance sheet as far as being investment grade? And then implications, specifically for share repurchases this year and next year. I think Brandon, you said youre pulling back, but does that mean youre going to 0?
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
Yes. Maybe Ill start, and then Brandon can help with the balance sheet stuff. In terms of the price, the $2.6 billion, we felt like the deal was easily digestible for us. As weve said already, it was very accretive to our earnings. It is scarce real estate. We were in a position here where this is something where we felt like it was perhaps a onetime opportunity to really get a much stronger foothold in California. Its something that we felt were going to benefit us immediately, but also benefit the company over the years and decades ahead. So that was a big part of our thinking. Yes, so I think thats our thinking on how we got to the price. As you know, it was a hard-fought battle. It was intensely competitive, and that had a role in the price as well. One of our folks reminded me, Im big fan of Warren Buffett. One of our folks reminded me that as you think about a deal like this, you should think about value not price. And I think thats there is extraordinary value here for our owners, and this is going to do great things for us both now and into the future.
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Rajeev, its Brandon. On the balance sheet, we have worked super, super hard to get a lot of dry powder built on the balance sheet. So we can do this without putting the balance sheet at risk. In terms of the credit rating agencies, Mark, why dont you take that one?
Mark G. Eliasen
Vice President of Finance and Treasurer
This is Mark. I would say that weve already discussed to have preliminary discussions with the rating agencies. They will go through a thorough review. Were confident that we will come out very well with that. Just as Brandon pointed out, we already have a strong balance sheet, and it will be a strong balance sheet after this transaction. So were confident wherever it ends up, it will be a good result.
Rajeev Lalwani
Morgan Stanley, Research Division
Im sorry, Brandon, just more color on the buyback if you are, in fact, going to 0 this year and next year.
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Sure. Yes, were still thinking through exactly the details of that. Were going to have an opportunity to modify our purchase grid after Q1 earnings. Well make a firm decision at that point. I would expect that we slow down, but it definitely will not be 0 for the rest of this year and not be 0 next year.
Operator
The next question comes from Mike Linenberg from Deutsche Bank.
Catherine M. OBrien
Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division
This is actually Katie OBrien sitting in for Mike. So I know youre not speaking the details and the breakout of the revenue synergies, but could you give us some color on the time line in the synergies tied to your Affinity Card? How quickly can you be in discussions to your banking partner? Do you think theyll expect you to have reached any major merger targets before opening those discussions? Anything will be helpful.
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Katie, its Brandon. That probably is the slowest just because there is constructional obligations on the part of Virgin America with their Affinity partner. So we will have to work through that, so that might take a little longer than just, say, network changes, which could really start immediately after we take ownership. Again, we have an awesome partner with Bank of America, and they are super excited to work with us on this, but there are contractual excuse me, restrictions on how fast we can move on that.
Richa Talwar
Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division
Its actually Richa Talwar as well. I wanted to ask a follow-up regarding key merger milestones. Do you have any dates set on how we could track how well the merger is going? And then if you could tell us along those lines if theres going to be a reservation cutover that we need to consider.
Benito Minicucci
Chief Operating Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Operations - Alaska Airlines Inc
No. This is Ben. No, we dont have those details right now. Were going to be putting that plan together here shortly, and well share it appropriately.
Operator
Your next question comes from Hunter Keay from Wolfe Research.
Hunter Kent Keay
Wolfe Research, LLC
Brad, so David said that you guys approached them. So Im curious about that comment in the context of sort of like where the motivations deal really came from. You touched on it a little bit when you answered Rajeevs question, but how much of this had to do with playing defense or maybe fear of either Virgins growth itself or maybe ULCCs, potentially in the West Coast because it is a big premium to pay at this point in the business cycle and but it does feel little more defensive-oriented than some of the other mergers weve seen. So how did you think about that in the context of maybe how you approached them?
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
Yes. Hunter, what I would say is I think weve been thinking about this for a long time. We initially reached out to Virgin in perhaps October or November of last year. It was a lot of conversation with David and Don Carty and others over the time period. I dont think of it as defensive. I mean, I think of it as we the way we look at it is Alaska has done really, really well for all of our constituents with the real estate that weve historically had. But as I said earlier, if youre really to be honest with yourself, weve really were likely to be your airline if you live in Washington, Oregon or Alaska, and theres 12 million people on those states. We were proud of the pretax margin. Were proud of the ROIC, proud of the service. We just wanted more canvas to work with, and this gives us California. California is 39 million people, the biggest market in the country. Theyve got fantastic presence in San Francisco and L.A., and so I just think it gives
the company a great out of the gate, it gives us really good economics, but the opportunity and we the opportunities sort of grow that West Coast presence and sort of generate that sort of loyalty and so forth throughout the entire West Coast that we have built in the Northwest and Alaska is big. One more point I was going to make, but Ive lost it now. But anyway, that is how weve been thinking about it. We this thought, its been in our head honestly for a couple of years of doing something like this, and were really happy to have done something today.
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
And Hunter, its Brandon, maybe just one more thought on that. Weve talked for a long time actually about the opportunity to grow the business down in California. Weve talked about the opportunity in San Diego and perhaps in the Bay Area, but less focused on SFO. What this does is it gives us more options in California, and it really is consistent with how weve been thinking for a long, long time.
Hunter Kent Keay
Wolfe Research, LLC
Yes, I appreciate that. Thats interesting. And I realized it did grow out in your heads for that long, but you could have really controlled the timing of these things. Im wondering if you were kind of accelerated into this. If the bankers come to you and say, If you dont move now, youre not going to get this thing. Youre maybe waiting for the next sort of downturn in the cycle to do something like this. But did you feel like you got rushed into this? Because again, I mean...
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
No. Honestly, we had another idea that were working on sometime ago. We called the bankers, they didnt call us. You heard that it was a hard-fought deal, but the other party got into it after we sort of had initiated. So no, thats the way it happened, Hunter.
Operator
Your next question comes from Julie Yates from Crédit Suisse.
Julie Yates Stewart
Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division
Brad, you talked about potentially using the Virgin brand down the road and learning more about it. What does that synergy number assume on what happens to the royalty payment to the Virgin Group?
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Julie, its Brandon. It actually doesnt make an assumption on the royalty payment. We didnt want to be too presumptuous because we need to figure it out, frankly, and so we didnt count that synergy one way or another. I think the synergy payment right now is 0.7% of revenues, if Im not mistaken, maybe Peter you can jump in and confirm that, and theres a minimum payment. Overall, its not huge in the grand scheme of things, and it doesnt affect the economics of the deal one way or another. But we did not price in that benefit.
Julie Yates Stewart
Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division
Okay. And then what are the biggest challenges you anticipate with the combination? Theres obviously some complications with the different fleet type. And then how do we think about the time line for and the milestones on the labor side?
Benito Minicucci
Chief Operating Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Operations - Alaska Airlines Inc
Julie, its Ben. What I will say yes. We have no experience with the Airbus fleet, so that will be a challenge. And although we love having a single fleet, were going to learn more about this Airbus fleet here in the near future. What Im going to say on the labor front in all integrations, thats always the biggest challenge. But we had a leadership meeting last night with our management and union leaders. Ill tell you our union leaders are excited. Theyre excited about this new company and coming into Alaska, and I think theyre going to work really hard to make this successful.
Julie Yates Stewart
Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division
Okay, great. And then one last one. Just how does this change kind of the long-term growth opportunity for Alaska in terms of are you going to continue to target that mid-single-digit growth range? Does growth slow during the integration? How do we think about the growth trajectory of the combined entities?
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
Julie, its Andrew. Weve shared for a long time, we have a range of between 4% and 8%. And given economic conditions, I dont see us changing that in any time soon. But again, thats such a large range to operate into. So I think we feel pretty good that thats still the sort of the range that we will continue to go forward with, but again, adjustments will be made, if need be.
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
And Julie, I totally agree with what Andrew is saying. The only difference is we now have a lot more choices of where to put that growth.
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
Yes.
Operator
Your next question comes from Darryl Genovesi from UBS.
Unknown Analyst
This is Dave [indiscernible] filling in for Darryl. I was wondering, how did you arrive at the deal valuation between the New York and D.C. slots and then the Love Field access? It looks like youre getting 40 daily departures from slot constrain in otherwise tightly managed airports. So maybe those are worth a few hundred million dollars, using some of the American Airline slot divestitures as comps. And if the capitalized operating leases are worth $1.5 billion, give or take, that would get you close to $2 billion. So what then bridges the gap from the $2 billion to the $4 billion that youre paying?
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Dave, its Brandon. Im not entirely sure I follow your question. So the 2 were paying $2.6 billion for the equity, and the enterprise value is $4 billion. So maybe Im just being a little slow, and Im not quite following what youre doing there.
Unknown Analyst
Really just wondering, what was bridging that gap between the $2.6 billion and the $4 billion?
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
The value of the debt and leases that Virgin America has currently. We use the 7x factor on the leases, and thats net of cash on their balance sheet. So its essentially the net adjusted debt of Virgin America, which we assume.
Unknown Analyst
Okay. And then a follow-up. It looks like LAX and SFO industry capacity is growing 8% to 10%. With that in mind, why couldnt you just grow LAX and SFO organically without paying for Virgin? And also how do you comp with the synergy estimate with only 15 to 20 direct routes that overlap?
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
Ill take the first part. I mean, as weve shared, Los Angeles and San Francisco are very, very constrained on the asset front, and so what this does for us is gives us meaningful footprint. The other thing which we havent really talked a lot about, but we have a very significant, as a percentage basis, of our loyalty members are California-based. When you combine that with the very significant loyalty base that Virgin America has, we have a very, very significant loyalty base that we create very quickly and an infrastructure to serve that. So without putting numbers on it, but conceptually, that is something that this merger gives or this acquisition gives us that we just couldnt do organically for many, many years.
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Yes. And then you asked a question also about how did we figure out or how did we assume there would be synergy when there wasnt a lot of overlap. Actually, thats the beauty of this transaction is there isnt a lot of overlap. These are very complementary networks. If you look at prior mergers, it was about shrinking. This is actually about growing. We have opportunity to mix and match airplanes into different markets. We have an opportunity to connect the networks better. Thats where the synergy comes from. Its a synergy of opportunity, not a synergy of reduction.
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
And finally, in terms of growing it ourselves versus acquiring it, might share the way we think about this. Routes, the people and network planning departments call it the S curve. But our routes and new service just does a lot better when you have a strong base already. If youve got 45% of a market share, you probably have 50% of the revenues. If you got 10% of the market, you probably have 7% or 8% of the revenues. And its just hard to go from nothing to something, building it yourself. This I guess we are total believers in this method of sort of gaining a foothold in a market, and this is something well work on over at a reasonable pace over the years ahead. But what Im trying to do is I think acquisition gives you a foothold that you would be very, very difficult to do organically.
Operator
Your next question comes from Helane Becker from Cowen and Company.
Conor T. Cunningham
Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division
Its actually Conor in for Helane. Can you just talk a little bit about the fleet and how you expect the A320s to kind of flow through? Or maybe you can just break down like when the leases actually expire on those aircraft by year and then maybe your thoughts on the A321 order thats coming on the books for Virgin.
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Conor, its Brandon. Maybe Ill start, then Ben can jump in. We are acquiring a great fleet of young, fuel-efficient airplanes. We have that on the Alaska side. Virgin America has done a great job building their fleet. They just happen to be 2 different fleets. I said to somebody the other day, I said we are big believers in single fleet, in fact, so much so that we bought another single fleet. And so yes, I mean, were not worried about it. As Ben said earlier, were going to get to know the Airbus airplane and go from there. In terms of the flexibility around the Virgin fleet, you guys probably know this better than we do. Were just learning it. Theres leases that substantially all of the fleet is leased, and those leases generally start to roll off between 2020 through 2022. I think theres 25 or so airplanes that can go back in that time period. Theres also an order for 30 A320s on the books, 10 in 2020, 21 and 22, and that order has a pretty favorable cancellation provision, not suggesting at all that were going to do that, but its it is something we could do if, in fact, we decided to move in a different direction.
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
[indiscernible] with that is we like a single fleet, yes. I mean, as an operations guy, if you have the single fleet, its so much easier across employees, particularly with pilot groups. But the Airbus is a proven airplane. So well see. Were going to learn from it and see where we go from there.
Conor T. Cunningham
Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division
Okay. And then just in terms of the I believe you had a pending regional order out there. Is that now suspended as a result of transaction?
Mark G. Eliasen
Vice President of Finance and Treasurer
No. This is Mark. No, were going to go forward with our regional jet order. Youll hear something in the next few weeks on that.
Conor T. Cunningham
Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division
Okay. And then have you guys already approached the DOJ about this deal? And what they might be looking for? Or how should we think about that?
Kyle Levine
Chief Ethics & Compliance Officer, Vice President of Legal, General Counsel, Vice President of Legal - Alaska Airlines Inc and General Counsel - Alaska Airlines Inc
Conor, this is Kyle Levine. No, we havent yet, but were, of course, preparing for regulatory review. We know theyre going to take a close look at it, and we think we have a good story to tell about us increasing competition and better positioning us to compete against much bigger carriers and, as Brandon has mentioned, very little overlap in our networks.
Operator
Your next question comes from Andrew Didora from Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
Andrew G. Didora
BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division
Congratulations on the transaction this morning. Brad, I think you touched upon this, certainly earlier. But you were quoted in some earlier interviews that you had been looking at acquisitions for a number of years right now. I guess what was the driving force of you taking a look at deals? Was it just more diversification out of Seattle as some competition popped up? Or were you looking for ways to add leverage into the business?
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
I think its probably more the latter. As Ive said a couple of times now, we do think the industry structure is a lot better than its been for most of my career. So were optimistic about the industry going forward. Were also optimistic about our own ability to create value for owners, for customers, for employees. So we feel like weve actually done really, really well with the footprint that we really have in Seattle and Portland and the State of Alaska, and we just wanted a little bit more canvas to work with.
Operator
Your next question comes from Jamie Baker from JPMorgan.
Jamie N. Baker
JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division
The inclusion of labor has played a part in prior mergers in terms of achieving regulatory approval and facilitating integration and all that. I didnt hear anything on the call so far on that topic. Im curious if that was deliberate. Have you embraced your pilots union prior to todays announcement? And what sort of labor dis-synergy do you envision netted against your total number in terms of getting pilots to a common wage structure?
Benito Minicucci
Chief Operating Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Operations - Alaska Airlines Inc
Jamie, its Ben. Like I said before, our unions are excited, and yes, our pilot leadership team was informed prior to the announcement. They are onboard. They have their own process to go through for an integration. But were confident were going to do this, and were going to do this well. Brandon, the second question was on synergies for labor.
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Yes. Jamie, its Brandon. Just on the dis-synergy for our workgroups, I dont think its appropriate to comment too much, although what I will say is we do recognize that sometimes there is a cost associated with that and that we consider that appropriately.
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
Yes. Those numbers do have a dis-synergy calculated in them.
Jamie N. Baker
JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division
All right, fair enough. Second question, Virgin seems to have a bit of a cult following, for lack of a better term. I mean, nobody travels solely just to enjoy in-flight mood lighting, but it can affect the purchase
decision obviously. As that product is presumably harmonized with yours, have you modeled for any revenue dis-synergies as Virgin loyalists potentially spread their business elsewhere? Or is the assumption that you keep 100% of the natural passenger demand?
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
This is Andrew. I think as Brandon shared earlier, we believe weve been conservative with our estimates. 3/4 of the synergies are revenue-based. It is not lost on me the amount of work and importance that is ahead for us, especially on the customer base. Rather than speak specifically, we feel very good about what we have here in the synergies model.
Jamie N. Baker
JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division
Okay. And then just a quick follow-up to an earlier question on fleet. As you get to know the Airbus product, presumably, its going to be in the manufacturers best interest to completely win you over to operating a sole-fleet type. I wonder if that is also part of the synergy calculus as you potentially play Boeing and Airbus off one another. Is that part of the assumptions? Or if that were to happen, would that be incremental to what youre modeling?
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Jamie, its Brandon. We have not modeled any incremental benefit associated with playing the manufacturers off of each other. What I will say is weve just got a fantastic partnership with the Boeing Company. We love the 737, as you know. But as we said, were interested in getting to know the Airbus product, and well see where we go.
Operator
Your next question comes from David Fintzen from Barclays.
David E. Fintzen
Barclays PLC, Research Division
I just want to come back to the middle bucket on the revenue synergies, the mix and match on the fleet. Im just trying to sort of think through the details of that, and I havent predominantly 2 mainline fleet. Is there is that a regional comment? Is there a regional angle to that? Or what do you get between sort of a fairly narrow set of narrow bodies and mixing and matching that would be so synergistic?
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
David, its Andrew. I think what weve been looking at, too, is just sort of the spread of the fleet, the 319 and the 320 are certainly a small aircraft than the 900ER, which we have a lot of and increasing of. So we just see a lot of interplay between north, south on the West Coast versus transcon and certainly in the slot-constrained airports. So we see moving the fleet around based on the various gauges as well as, to your point, we have very solid regional fleet that will also complement what Virgin America has. So all around, we have a lot of play with the aircraft.
David E. Fintzen
Barclays PLC, Research Division
Okay, and then going back to and obviously, the California ambition has been there for some time [indiscernible]. Is there something in terms of that report or build-versus-buy decision? Was there something youve learned about build in California over the last few years that shaped that thinking? Or was this just an opportunity to accelerate what was already long-term plan?
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
I think just as weve looked more and more I mean, California is a very large state with a lot of carriers in there and a lot of competitors. Theyre not building any more land. We talked about beachfront property. So when we looked at it and credit to Virgin America, they have done an amazing job at building a network from slot-constrained airports from west to east and building an amazing foundation. Theyve taken a number of years to do that. So thats our opportunity here.
David E. Fintzen
Barclays PLC, Research Division
And then if I can sneak one last one in. In terms of the code-share relationship with American, does this create does it facilitate that agreement? Is this sort of helpful to the agreement? Or does this set you up as more of a threat, both in Dallas and the West Coast, to a partner that changes that dynamic?
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
We believe that this will actually position us to be more opportunity to continue to work with American Airlines and the agreement. And the basis that its built on today is exciting, and we believe, this just creates even opportunity.
Operator
Your next question comes from Dan McKenzie from Buckingham Research.
Daniel J. McKenzie
The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated
Brandon, how should we think about the cost of debt and interest rate of 4% to 5% or something higher, I guess just going back to the 92 aircraft you have unencumbered? And then also with respect to CapEx, is the way to think about it is simply to add the CapEx of both airlines together? Or would it potentially be higher initially?
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Dan, Ill let Mark start with the cost of the debt.
Mark G. Eliasen
Vice President of Finance and Treasurer
Dan, this is Mark. I will tell you that we have not been in the market since 2009, and weve got a lot of partners that have been talking to us and will love to finance this transaction. As you mentioned, with all the great 800s, 737-800s and 900ERs, were expecting very attractive rates. I would say itll be south of 4%, and a lot of it depends on how much if we decide to float and fix. But youll see that there, well be getting very good rates.
Daniel J. McKenzie
The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated
Wow. And then with respect to the CapEx?
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Yes. On the CapEx schedule, I think thats a fair assumption right now. What you suggested is just adding A plus B. Thats subject to change as we get into longer-range planning on fleet and other projects. But thats probably a fair place to start for now.
Daniel J. McKenzie
The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated
Okay, very good. And then following up of course, one of the biggest risks is IT. And just following up on an earlier question, can you remind us of the reservation and revenue management systems used at each airline? And then also, is there a precedent for these systems being merged in other mergers thatve occurred in the past in the industry here? And reason Im guessing youre not reinventing the wheel, but how are you thinking about the IT hurdle here?
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
Dan, its Andrew. I believe Virgin America uses Sabre for their reservation systems as do we, which is very, very exciting for us. Also, Virgin America is a newer company. So were going to be looking hard at their technology, especially across the commercial realm. There are certain systems we have here that I cant wait to spend more time with, with Virgin America that we believe will move us forward. So all in all, a lot of work to be done there, but we feel very confident that were going to have a good process here and come out with better product.
Daniel J. McKenzie
The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated
Very good. And maybe just one, if I can squeeze one last one in. Andrew, with respect to the merger synergies, I wonder if you can provide a breakdown, roughly, of how we might think about it, so putting the right aircraft in the right market versus increased corporate travel spend versus the potential for redeployed flying. Is it a Virgin is it roughly a third, a third and a third? Or any kind of perspective or color you can provide on how we should peel back that onion?
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
Dan, thanks for your question, and I know you should continue to work on someone like me. But as Brandon shared, were not going to give any more details. Its already been given. So Ill leave it at that, and no present guidance either just for what thats worth.
Operator
Your next question comes from Joseph DeNardi from Stifel.
Joseph W. DeNardi
Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division
Andrew, I think you guys have pretty clearly focused your growth in Seattle over the past couple of years to maintain your relevance there. Im just wondering if this transaction changes that. I mean, does the growth in Seattle start to slow and it refocuses more in L.A., San Fran? Just I mean, how are you guys thinking about growth going forward between some of your key markets here?
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
Joe, for me, it doesnt change anything. We will continue to grow and do what we need to do in Seattle to continue to have it operating as it is today, so no changes there. I think as Brad mentioned, what we will be doing is looking at our overall growth rate and just weve got more places to put it, and so how much goes to the Pacific Northwest versus California. So thats very exciting for us and but there is no change to our approach and strategy to Seattle.
Joseph W. DeNardi
Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division
Okay. And then Brandon, I think you may have answered this in Jamies question, but I just want to get some more clarity on it. I mean, is there a pressure to reprice your current pilot contract to get this transaction completed? Or how should we think about that?
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
No, Joe. Were going to work with our pilot union. And like I said, they have a specific process theyre going to follow through. Were going to work with them, and were going to land at the right place thats good for both our companies.
Operator
Your next question comes from Steve OHara from Sidoti & Company.
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Steve, welcome back to the game. Steve, are you there?
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
Maybe hes not there.
Lavanya Sareen
Managing Director of Investor Relations
So all right. Weve got time for one person. Yes, weve got time for one more question from the analysts before we turn it over to the media. And lets go to the media session. Brandon?
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Yes, lets go ahead and turn it over. I think we have Kris Van Cleave ready to ask...
Operator
We do. Go ahead Mr. Van Cleave, your line is open.
Kris Van Cleave
Yes. I was curious, are there any routes and any cities that youre looking in the Virgin route map that doesnt make sense for Alaska to continue or may modify? Particularly you overlap, in some cases, in service to Hawaii, I think. Are there markets where youre looking that the new Alaska may not want to operate in?
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
Kris, this is Andrew. Its actually too early for us to comment on that. Again, Virgin America has built a fantastic foundation with great results. So were going to take a long hard look at that and do what we need to do to make sure these synergies work, and thats about as far as we are right now.
Kris Van Cleave
And as far as the single fleet or not, how long do you think until you actually make that decision? Is that years down the line?
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Chris, its Brandon. Yes, it probably is, I think. Well as I said, well get to know the Airbus fleet and how it works into the network, and then well evaluate and well make a decision. But its probably a couple of years away.
Operator
Your next question comes from Karen Walker from Air Transport World.
Karen Walker
Can I just ask you a bit more on the regulatory side here? You sound confident of getting the DOJ approval. But can I talk in a wider context? Because even with the relatively little overlap on networks and given the quality of service of these 2 airlines, as we know, theres a lot of negative feelings in Capitol Hill about the past mergers. So are you concerned, first of all, that the how long it could get take to get this the approval through the regulatory hurdles and whether there would be concessions that youd have to make as far as approval?
Kyle Levine
Chief Ethics & Compliance Officer, Vice President of Legal, General Counsel, Vice President of Legal - Alaska Airlines Inc and General Counsel - Alaska Airlines Inc
Karen, its Kyle Levine. I think what Id say is that we know and expect the regulators will take a very careful look at this transaction. But to reiterate what I said before, I think we have great story to tell/it may take a little longer to tell the story, but at the end of the day, very pro-competition and pro-consumer story.
Karen Walker
So youre not anticipating that this deal, because of the previous mergers, could take longer, could get caught in congressional hearings?
Kyle Levine
Chief Ethics & Compliance Officer, Vice President of Legal, General Counsel, Vice President of Legal - Alaska Airlines Inc and General Counsel - Alaska Airlines Inc
Well, were staying flexible as far as timing goes. We are planning for a slightly longer period, but I wont specify how long were thinking of. Were going to just follow the lead of the regulators and cooperate fully.
Operator
Your next question comes from Mary Schlangenstein from Bloomberg News.
Mary Schlangenstein
I wanted to ask if you can talk about at what point JetBlue stepped into the process and how much the price was driven up by the competition that youve already referred to.
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Mary, its Brandon Pedersen. I guess in terms of when JetBlue stepped in the process, Id suggest you contact JetBlue and ask them. In terms of the price, as Brad said, it was a very hard-fought battle. I think there was kind of an auction dynamic that occurred. At the end of the day, our balance sheet let us go farther. But also at the end of the day, we feel like we got a great deal for what we paid.
Mary Schlangenstein
Can you say how much more you paid than you had originally hoped to pay in the deal?
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
No, thats I mean, we were willing to pay a fair price for the value that weve got, and I think we did that.
Operator
Your next question comes from Jeffrey Dastin from Reuters.
Jeffrey Dastin
With the deal, is there an international airline partner with which Alaska will work for the first time?
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
Jeffrey, its Andrew. Yes, I mean, Virgin America has some Chinese carriers, the Singapore Airlines is one, but most of the portfolio we have on the Alaska side is the larger one. I think the bigger opportunity here is when you combine both of our partners by the way, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Seattle are all large international gateways. And so as a combined entity, we will provide great utility to all these partners, in fact, be more leverage for them than we have historically, separately.
Jeffrey Dastin
Right. And is there any particular partnership that you hope to expand?
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
Were going to be looking at all of these. Were going to be looking at their relationships and what makes sense. So at this stage, its too early. But on the future earnings calls, well make that known.
Operator
Your next question comes from Alan Boyle from GeekWire.
Alan Boyle
I had a couple of questions. One was, I assume that there will be no impact on Virgin America or Alaska service pending approval. Will flyers see any change over the next few months? And well, really, I guess thats about it. Everything else has been answered.
Brandon S. Pedersen
Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Finance - Alaska Airlines Inc
Alan, its Brandon. Maybe Ill take that question. No, we dont anticipate any changes until the merger is actually approved and consummated. Both airlines continue to operate independently. Were still both in separate public companies, and we need to look out for doing the right thing for each of our individual companies. So no, we wouldnt expect any kind of change related to the transaction prior to close.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Ted Reed from TheStreet.
Ted Reed
Two quick things. First of all, historically, none of our West Coast Airlines have ever survived. Theyve all become merger partners for somebody else. Do you think you had made yourself you will have made yourself so attractive. Is that possibly in your future, that someone will be trying to acquire you?
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
Ted, I would point out that were still here, and weve been around for 84 years. And no, I think this just makes our company much, much stronger, and thats I dont think I have anything more to say about it.
Ted Reed
Okay. And secondly, youre going to be the very large airline, and yet, youre going to have no transpacific, no transatlantic service. Did I hear is that something that might be in your future? Or did I hear you say earlier that youre looking for a stronger partnership with American? Or is it just going to be this collection of international carriers that you have your international service with going forward?
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
One of the things you need to do is you need to figure out what you do well and you need to do that well, and we serve the domestic market really well. This bleisure segment that we talked about earlier, I think our company is quite good at. Virgin is very, very good at that. So were going to focus on what we do well and keep doing it. As Andrew pointed out, were well, first of all, the American relationship, I think, only gets better. We chatted with them last night, gave them a little bit of a heads up in terms of whats going on. I think there will be big opportunities for us together going forward. And then I think well be a very desirable partner for these international airlines. So I just think the way this industry is in the future is you build, you figure out what you do, you figure out what others do and then you build that partnerships, and thats what were going to do.
Operator
Your next question comes from Adam Hackel from Sterne Agee.
Adam Hackel
CRT Capital Group LLC, Research Division
Just a quick one on sort of how the tech community kind of plays a role in all this, given where you guys are obviously aware Virgin is strong and where their frequent fliers are based. And actually, looking more specifically at maybe more of the corporate side. What kind of relationships does Virgin have right now with some of the Silicon Valley guys? And how can you guys leverage that to maybe build on that and where we are in Seattle and everything?
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
Lets get David Cush put him on the spot. Hes kind of had a light load here.
Adam Hackel
CRT Capital Group LLC, Research Division
Exactly.
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
But I think hes got a good answer.
C. David Cush
Chief Executive Officer, President and Director
Look, this is David. Yes, obviously, being where were based, thats a big part of our corporate clientele. I would say 7 out of our top 10 corporate customers are tech companies, most of them based here in the Silicon valley, but also these are big multinational companies that have traveled up and down the coast as well as across the nation and across the world. So yes, I think that it is an interesting point, that there is a much stronger symbiotic relationship between the 3 biggest cities on the West Coast than there ever has been, driven by tech. So Seattle and San Francisco, in particular, having tremendous amount of traffic, whether its Microsoft, Yahoo, others who have big offices in each place. So my expectation is that with the penetration we have with the tech companies, it should help Alaska out down the road, and were prepared to work with them on making sure that happens
Operator
Your next question comes from Jeffrey Dastin from Reuters.
Jeffrey Dastin
I just wanted to ask what is your biggest concern for the integration going forward?
Benito Minicucci
Chief Operating Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc and Executive Vice President of Operations - Alaska Airlines Inc
Well, I think Jeffrey, this is Ben. Integrations are complex. And Alaska, we just want to do this well. I think we want to ingrate integrate the employees well, we want to get integrate our systems well, and those are all the big hurdles. So one of the things were going to do back here, this deal has just been announced, we got to figure out put a strong plan, together, put a strong team together, work well with Virgin and just execute this better than hopefully, better than any previous merger thats been done before. Thats going to be our goal.
Jeffrey Dastin
Great. And then one last question. Do you have any sense of what regulators might wish to be divested, if anything, from the merger, perhaps the code share that it has on some of the transcontinental routes thats American?
Kyle Levine
Chief Ethics & Compliance Officer, Vice President of Legal, General Counsel, Vice President of Legal - Alaska Airlines Inc and General Counsel - Alaska Airlines Inc
Jeffrey, in short, we dont. As I said before, well follow the lead of the regulators, and were not expecting many problems. But we will see as the process plays out.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Dominic Gates from Seattle Times.
Dominic Gates
A couple of questions. Going back to this you just talked about that helping to leverage the tech community connection between Seattle, San Francisco, those tech hubs. Theres not too much overlap between the 2 networks, but this is where the overlap is, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, San Francisco. Im wondering on that specific route, what will people traveling that route actually see? Will you have less service as a combined merger than you have now as competing airlines?
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
Dominic, its Andrew. One of the really exciting things about that is that its actually not just San Francisco. We see from where we sit today, we have heavy service in the San Jose, of course, and theres Oakland, so really, the whole Bay Area, the 3 airports there. And I think when you look at Virgin America, where their focus is and then what our focus has been, I think this is a real nice complement to the Bay Area, in general. So I think from high-tech perspective for the Bay Area residents, I think their options and their choices and their loyalty programs is going to get better.
Dominic Gates
And out of Seattle to the Bay Area?
Andrew R. Harrison
Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Commercial Officer and Executive Vice President
Absolutely.
Dominic Gates
And one other question. But I think theres a lot these airlines have in common, but they also have a different culture. And I think perhaps some Virgin someone mentioned the cult following for Virgin America for their customers, maybe perhaps a little not too happy with being taken over by Alaska. How do you merge the customer cultures? One small point like, for example, Virgin America touch the video service, they have all these seat-back touch screens whereas you guys have been moving towards handing people handheld devices. So where do you how do you please both sets of customers who have become accustomed to very different cultures?
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
Dominic, its Brad. I think its a really good question. One of things that does happen when you do something like this is you get a chance to look and you get a chance to compare the 2. We sort of know what we do really, really well, but well get a chance to look under the covers of a great company that has done things a little bit differently, and well get a chance to compare the 2 approaches. And theres no pride of ownership. Well do what is best for our company moving forward. In terms of customers, I think theres way more than we have in common than we have different, although there probably are some differences. We both are excellent operators, and we both sort of have a different approach to customer service. They won all kinds of awards for customer service as have we. So I think the people of Virgin, the people of Alaska will find a tremendous amount of confidence. In terms of the differences, I just think we go a little slow. We listen. Were going to work as hard as we can to secure the loyalty of those customers and sort of bring them altogether. I will tell you that from my perspective, I received a number of notes and e-mails already this morning from employees and customers who think this is great. So I just think were going to like we do with everything else, were going to do the very best that we can with it over time. And Im confident that with the team we have here, this is its going to be very good as we move forward over time.
Lavanya Sareen
Managing Director of Investor Relations
Thank you, folks. Thats all the time we had for questions. I want to turn it back to Brad for quick comments.
Bradley D. Tilden
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Alaska Airlines Inc, President of Alaska Airlines Inc, Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Air Industries Inc and President of Horizon Air Industries Inc
Thats actually it. Thanks very much. We appreciate you tuning in. And this is April 3 or 4, so I think well be together again and not too long, 3 or 4 weeks. But thanks very much, and well be available after the call should folks have questions. Thanks.
Operator
This concludes todays conference call. You may now disconnect.
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